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[escardos]

it's almost christmas! how does it feel to be approaching the holidays when nightfall is approaching so quickly? make sure to spend your time wisely, because you might not be here next year you might be three meters underground!

juuuuuuust kidding! but it's a fun thought, isn't it? people celebrating and putting their holiday lights up, almost as if trying to make us unaware of what is coming. they might as well be trying to brainwash us, huh?

i really hope i can buy some new video games-- what are you guys planning?

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[escardos]

people haven't learned in thousands of years i don't think they'll start learning now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i think giving back to the earth is a wonderful thing! our bodies will rot and become one with the soil again--it makes me wonder if this is actually something that the earth wants. like nature taking its course.

graphic drawings of decay in link!!

[imitationsoul]

No, they probably won't. But that's all the more reason to not shield them from discomfort.

I don't know about the will of nature and whether or not it exists, but I do think decay is in itself rather beautiful. There is something raw and honest about it. The Japanese used to love depicting it in their art - it's a shame that tradition mostly died out.

FILE ATTACHMENT: kusozu

[ For everyone who does not want to click this: it's the body of a Japanese noblewoman, slowly shown to decay over nine 19th century illustrations. ]

[escardos]

ah, i've seen this before, actually! it's beautiful, and yet reminds us that we're no different from other living beings. humans make such a fuss about being such, about being better or worse than others but, when they die, they rot the same way as any living creature would.

but i guess that's why my favorite version of the underworld has to be kur, from all the way back in ancient sumeria. no final judgement, no reward or penalty for who they were in life.

[imitationsoul]

No wonder that didn't catch on - you can't turn it into an instrument to influence people's choices in life. Heaven and hell are so much more helpful for that.

It's unlikely, knowing all we know here, but in truth, I'd still like the secular scientists to be right about death. Simply nothingness, the negation of all existence. No longer of use to anybody or obligated to anybody. Your life simply stands for itself.

tw death talk????? from now on i guess???

[escardos]

heaven and hell are as helpful as the stories of krampus and saint nicholas. they're meant to keep people in check and doing as society tells them to. although neither of those things really interest me--unless i managed to see krampus in person. then maybe i'd like to see what he's like inside. what does a half-goat half-demon look like, i wonder!

i'm not really looking to die yet, but i gotta say that i am curious about what it's like. to just take a peek, maybe, or see someone that's clinically dead come back to life.

word of advice to everyone: just never read any thread between these two

[imitationsoul]

Christian morality is a lot more insidious than Christmas child's tales, I'd argue, but the comparison is at least seasonally appropriate.

And well, if you look through enough spell-books, I am sure you can make your dreams come true. At considerable risk, but risk is generally an underrated aspect of the human experience. People try so hard to eradicate it and just dull their lives intentionally.

You're very into experiments, I take it?

[escardos]

as if christian morality hasn't influenced most of the western world since the middle ages, lmao!

but yes, experiments are definitely my thing! people get so angry with them, though. they always say that curiosity is good, but never when it doesn't benefit them-- people are always so hypocritical, huh?

and while i wouldn't mind doing it to myself, but if i'm alone then there'll be many things that won't be able to be recorded. so i'd definitely need a second person with me, whether they want to be the one that dies or the one that watches me die and come back.

interested?

[imitationsoul]

I am.

I don't hold with the ideas of morality that everyone has accepted to complacently. In the end, it's all constructs. Any of us could kill at any time - it's only a matter of wanting to do it. So the same applies for temporary suicide, obviously.

I'd rather prefer to not be the one dying as of now - if I die in any way, I want it to hold meaning. But I'd certainly assist you in going and coming back.

I've done spells and the likes before, so I am reasonably confident in this working.

un: hieke

[inflictwounds]

I'm afraid reasonably confident isn't enough when it comes to matters of life and death. The permanent loss of a student would be a hard thing to bear.

But I get the feeling you two will try to find a way around this, so if you want to go through with this experience, perhaps ask someone to supervise who has actual skill in resurrection?

[escardos]

my family's spells had to do with life preservation and advanced healing! in the chance that her's doesn't work, you just need to get my heart beating again and my body will repair itself automatically!

goes to show that maybe next time i should encrypt my messages a little more huh?! kind of rude to butt in like that, i think.

[inflictwounds]

Noted.

Apologies for being rude, but you should perhaps think of getting advisory from someone with actual authority before proposing experiments.

[escardos]

as they say, it's better to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission!

anyways, it doesn't matter that much, does it? one person more, one person less, it doesn't change much in the grand scheme of things, does it?

[inflictwounds]

The only people who say that are overconfident fools who will get themselves torn apart because of their lack of ability and forethought.

It changes a lot. Having people with actual skill behind you can make a world of difference, not to say that Miach lacks skill. But there's a reason it's always wise to learn from people with actual, quantifiable experience.

[escardos]

i apologize, i'm not referring to miach's assistance or yours! i'm talking about myself, actually. the loss of my life would not mean anything past the initial mourning period. i'd be one more number, and just fuel for the ground that i'd be buried in.

however, i'd like to live just to tell miach my experience. other than that, i'm pretty good with w/e else happens.

[inflictwounds]

[He could probably say something to the effect that the loss of his life would be a tragedy and that it would mean more than nothing...

But he doesn't. Death is death and it's a facet of life Hieke is intimately familiar with by now.]

You're right, but you won't be able to tell her of your experience if she's unable to bring you back. It's best to be cautious, or you'll simply learn nothing.

[escardos]

yep, it'd be a shame if she didn't get to know what it was like. although my experience will probably be different than miach's, so we wouldn't be able to really know until she died as well.

still, i'd prefer if it were just the two of us that did the initial part. you can come in after if miach can't revive me. like i said, i just need my heart to start and we'll be good to go.

[inflictwounds]

I'm afraid I can't allow that. We actually do take the lives of our students seriously, and I'd rather not one have to have blood on their hands because of human curiosity.

[escardos]

what difference does it make? the same blood will be spilled no matter if it's you, her, or i that does it. that's a really weird thing to be hung up over lol!

[inflictwounds]

Killing someone can be surprisingly difficult, and I'd rather you not feel more pain than you need to.

[escardos]

hahaha

[imitationsoul]

Doubting my ability to kill efficiently is somehow more insulting than doubting my abilities to resurrect.

I do my research.

[escardos]

you’d think he’d be more concerned about the resurrection part ahahaha☆

[imitationsoul]

People are weird about pain... Avoiding it may be an instinct, but it's been taken to the point where there is basically a social stigma on the experience of pain at all.

Not that I think you'd be in a lot of pain, as stated.

[escardos]

thats why sadomasochism is considered a fetish, i guess. but people will always be very willing to put themselves and others in painful situations, too. not just physical, but emotional. kind of hypocritical, imo.

id rather if it didn’t hurt too much but, if it does, then it does! nothing much we can do about it.

[inflictwounds]

Good.

[That's....a response, certainly.]